Audio note: The sound quality may not be the best, as AI-based noise reduction was used during a digital recording.Chuck Wolfe, author of three books on urbanism and place, lawyer, urbanist, and photographer, speaks about his journey from land use law into writing, observing, and shaping cities. He explores the meaning of “leveraging place” and how it differs from placemaking and place branding, while highlighting the importance of history, stewardship, and authentic local context. Through examples such as Kiruna and Santa Fe, Chuck reflects on identity, urban change, and the risks of superficial planning. The conversation also touches on observation, participation, AI, and why humility and curiosity remain essential for urban professionals. BooksSustaining a City’s Culture and Character (2021): https://www.bloomsbury.com/us/sustaining-a-citys-culture-and-character-9781538133248/Seeing the Better City (2017): https://islandpress.org/books/seeing-better-city#descUrbanism Without Effort (2013/2019): https://islandpress.org/books/urbanism-without-effort#desc Links:Substack: https://resurgencejourney.substack.com/Leveraging Place Toolkit: https://www.planetizen.com/blogs/136366-leveraging-place-toolkit-staying-loyal-places-we-shapeLeveraging Place in Santa Fe: https://resurgencejourney.substack.com/p/leveraging-place-in-santa-fe“Listening to Santa Fe While Planning for Change:” https://www.santafenewmexican.com/news/real_estate/listening-to-santa-fe-while-planning-for-change/article_0a55a6cc-5a2d-4079-9601-56e55ce3b2ca.html